Death Penalty, Dying, And Killing

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Death Penalty, Dying, And Killing

Postby Egaladeist » Fri Feb 06, 2009 6:57 pm

1. do you believe death is a moral issue?
2. on what basis do you quantify your first answer


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1. no, it has nothing to do with morality

2. death is natural...like gravity...it can be neither moral nor immoral. However, ' how ' and ' why ' we die can have very specific moral implications

how: quick...vs...slow, painful and/or lingering
why: because you are a criminal that needs to be put down...vs...putting down a severely injured man on a battlefield

we are all sentenced to die as a ' natural ' and unavoidable part of living

therefore I support the death penalty in ' all ' cases of extreme violent crimes...

the death penalty, as it exists, does not deter crime, because it is not enforced...if the death penalty was immediate and guaranteed it could deter crime

but that's not why I support it...

I support the death penalty because it is good for the peace and welfare of society...our primary objective should be to ensure the rights of society come first...the rights of victims come first...
society does not feel as though they are being protected...violent criminals are released and early released back upon a wary public...to repeat offense...

we need to treat violent criminals the same way we treat viruses and infections...we need to eradicate them...

not only would this deter these types of crimes but the benefits to society, both actual and mental, would far outweigh any cost.

But action would need to be immediate and guaranteed...a punishment is only as good as it is enforced...an unenforced or mildly enforced law has no value as a deterrent or as a means to comfort society's need to feel protected.

Why not just warehouse them for life...well, aside from the fact that I think warehousing criminals the way we have for centuries, packing them into 6x8 cells, being raped by Bubba, having to live continuously with other people just like themselves, is more cruel and inhumane than a bullet...
and aside from the fact that there is a psychological impact upon society that fears escape, early-release, release due to over-crowded conditions, etc...
and aside from the economic impact of warehousing criminals that society is burdened with...
it is an antiquated system that we have used for centuries that has shown little benefit to society at large...prisons simply do not make society safer or have a beneficial impact upon the psychological aspects of society.

A bullet is final...it gives closure...it does impact upon society's feeling of well-being and security.
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Re: Death Penalty, Dying, And Killing

Postby Harry » Fri Feb 06, 2009 7:01 pm

We should have the death penalty for spammers, illegal immigrants and anyone in politics and banking..
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Re: Death Penalty, Dying, And Killing

Postby |3lack|ce » Sat Feb 07, 2009 12:19 pm

We should also give the death penalty to all Lawyers, Judges, and professional Politicians, as well as for parking violations.
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Re: Death Penalty, Dying, And Killing

Postby Elsparrow » Sun Feb 08, 2009 3:26 pm

The criminals who deserving locking up for life normally commit inhumane offences anyway. So why should I give a toss if they are kept like caged chickens? They have no respect for people, so why should we respect them?

I don't agree with the death penalty though, as it is so easy to still execute the wrong person.
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Re: Death Penalty, Dying, And Killing

Postby Aspman » Mon Feb 09, 2009 11:09 am

I believe the death penalty is the appropriate punishment for many crimes but I'm opposed to it.

There are too many miscarriages of justice that would have resulted in the deaths of innocent people. In addition the repercussions of being found out to have got it wrong will mean miscarriages get buried leaving some very dangerous real crims out and free.
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Re: Death Penalty, Dying, And Killing

Postby |3lack|ce » Mon Feb 09, 2009 12:25 pm

And from the "Land of the Death Penalty" I give you this:

Texan who died in prison cleared of rape conviction
http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/02/06/tex ... index.html

Which brings to the table irrefutable evidence that yes, miscarriages of justice sometimes *do* occur, but those persecuted (vice prosecuted) don't always wind up dead by state execution.
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Re: Death Penalty, Dying, And Killing

Postby Egaladeist » Mon Feb 09, 2009 1:32 pm

With today's technology it's becoming less likely an innocent will be convicted of a crime of any magnitude...most cases ...if not all cases...the innocent people involved were convicted years ago....many dating further back than the public Internet...

nowadays...you pretty much have to be set up by the FBI or CIA to be convicted of something you didn't do...or...

1. have a lawyer who doesn't present your case well
2. have a lawyer that doesn't present all the evidence that's available ( through technology or other means )

so yes...we do need to ensure that everyone gets a fair trial and ' quality ' representation...first and foremost...

Ice's example is just one example of poor representation and a lack of providing all the evidence...eg.

But there was one detail: Mallin told police her attacker was a smoker. "He was smoking the entire time."


this should have been very easy for the defense to prove the innocence of their client...


but once we are assured that a fair trial did take place and the person was well represented I would feel confident in going ahead with the death penalty...in virtually every case/conviction involving weapon-related violence, violent battery against children, and sex related violent crimes.
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Re: Death Penalty, Dying, And Killing

Postby Panama Red » Mon Feb 09, 2009 4:47 pm

I think what would satisfy most people would be if you took that criminal and forced them to do "point" in any war time scenario, give them a chance, a used up old rifle and 1 clip of ammo, tell them (say in Afghanistan/Iraq, or to come North Korea/Iran) that they will be on point and that if they try to turn around they get one in the back of the head...would be great to check for mines/snipers/ambushes or just as bait for the enemy. It's not like your not giving them a chance to be an asset to society, if they take one in the head from an enemy sniper the rest of the patrol will be safe...kudo's all around, write the criminals family (if they still have one) and let them know that Johnny did us proud....and atoned in the end for his crimes.... :cool3:

Note: If they were unjustly accused or convicted due to errors in the Justice System (notably colour blind) then they could be given posthumous awards and a letter from the CIC.....everyone wins.... :pleasantry:
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Re: Death Penalty, Dying, And Killing

Postby Opus » Mon Feb 09, 2009 5:15 pm

I like the way you think, Panama Red
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Re: Death Penalty, Dying, And Killing

Postby dinowuff » Mon Feb 09, 2009 6:50 pm

Kill 'em all, let God sort them out
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