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All prejudice isn't created equally.

Postby keezel » Sat Feb 28, 2009 4:12 am

The University of Washington issued the following news release about a
series of studies in * Journal of Personality and Social Psychology*:

All prejudice isn't created equal; whites distribute it unequally to
minorities

The Declaration of Independence may proclaim that all men are created
equal, but American whites tend to distribute their prejudice unequally
toward certain members of minority groups, according to new research.

A series of six studies conducted by University of Washington and
Michigan State University psychologists shows that whites react more
negatively to racial minority individuals who strongly identify with
their racial group than to racial minority individuals who weakly
identify with their group.

The research, published in the current issue of the Journal of
Personality and Social Psychology, provides an explanation for why some
Blacks report personally experiencing more prejudice than others.

"Research has shown that the more minorities identify with their group,
the more prejudice they report experiencing," said Kaiser. "Most
research has explained this finding by focusing on factors within
minorities that make some individuals more susceptible to perceiving
prejudice than others. Our studies provide an alternative explanation by
showing that whites react more negatively toward strongly identified
minorities than weakly identified ones."

The researchers believe strongly identified minorities are not paranoid
in claiming they experience increased levels of prejudice and weakly
identified minorities are not being self-deceptive when they report
experiencing low levels of prejudice, said Cheryl Kaiser, a UW assistant
psychology professor and lead author of the paper. Instead, they just
may simply be reporting on reality as they experience it.

"Take a situation where a person is ambiguously rejected for a new job,"
she said. "A person with a strong minority identification might wonder
if the rejection was due to prejudice while one with a weak minority
identification might not. If you experience more prejudice you expect
more prejudice. These things work in tandem and feed each other."

Kaiser and her colleague recruited nearly 400 college students for the
six studies that measured whites' attitudes toward Blacks and Latinos.
They also were surveyed on their general attitudes about Blacks or
Latinos, depending on the study. In the studies, minorities were either
described as being strongly identified (where their group was very
important and a central aspect of their self) or weakly identified
(where their group was less important and not at the core of their self).

She said individuals typically want to be around others who share their
values and exclude people who don't share those values or world views.
The research indicated that whites perceived strongly identified
minorities as less likely to share similar worldviews with them relative
to weakly identified minorities.

"We are not arguing that minorities should not identify with their
group," said Kaiser. "Such identification can be important and provides
meaning, self worth and identity.

"Some research about prejudice has tended to lump members of minorities
into homogenous groups. But there is a lot of heterogeneity. People
differ in looks, language ability, attitudes and many other ways, but we
tend not to pay attention to these factors. That's why it is important
to identify those subsets in groups, why people react to them and what
are the active ingredients of prejudice. Whites need to understand that
they distribute prejudice unevenly and target those who strongly self-
identify as being Black."

Jennifer Pratt-Hyatt, a doctoral student at Michigan State is the co-
author of the paper. The research was funded by the National Science
Foundation and the UW's Royalty Research Fund.


I copied this from an email I received from Ken Pope's mailing list. Feel free to discuss.

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Re: All prejudice isn't created equally.

Postby Egaladeist » Sat Feb 28, 2009 4:59 am

I have a hard time understanding racial prejudice...

Some background:

I lived for almost 3 years in a predominately black neighborhood in California and during the time of the Rodney King Riots ( 3 days of 9pm curfews under Martial Law )...by predominately black I mean that I was one of 3 white guys I knew who actually lived there...there was a few other white faces around during the daytime ( like the guys who ran the hardware store ) but they all seemed to disappear at night...
we had a shop in possibly the seediest area...there were drug dealers on one corner and a bunch of homeless living in abandoned cars/vans on the other corner...we were robbed several times...one time I was sleeping in the shop while it was being broken into by a gang...I went outside to check the roof and 911ed my buddies who came down...one stood shotgun with a bat while I caught a few zzzz's...
to get to one of my buddy's houses I had to pass a corner where a bunch of Crips hung out...didn't really have to I suppose but I was too lazy to go the long way...the first time they saw me they stopped me and told me I needed a pass...I forget exactly what I said ( something sarcastic :mrgreen: ) but they never really bothered me after that...a few would glare as I strolled by but that's about it...
I was doing work ( graphic design/illustration ) for APA ( MLK Jr's Fraternity ) and other primarily black organizations at the time, as well as predominately black schools and Institutions...including some work for the Black Muslims ( Elijah Muhammad's crowd )...

conclusion:

all in all I didn't feel any less safe than I would in a poor white Canadian neighborhood...even during the Riots I walked the streets to go shopping/etc...and even though I could feel the tension, no one bothered me...not even the gangs...

I think white America ( in general ) has a cultural inbred fear and apprehension in regard to black people...probably in part due to the crimes that were committed against them...like committing a grave injustice against someone and then meeting them many years later in life and not being able to look them in the face...I don't think it's intentional...more of a cultural adaptation as a result of their history...

there are far more good and decent black people than there are bad ones...just like us and everyone else.
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Re: All prejudice isn't created equally.

Postby Egaladeist » Sat Feb 28, 2009 5:17 am

One thing I learned from the many conversations I had, the functions I attended, and the family gatherings...was that as much as black Americans complain about ' racism, and institutionalized racism ' they are very much in love with America...in fact the very mention of ' if it's so bad and so unfair , so utterly unjust, why don't you just move ' is usually greeted with either patriotic furor or the glaze a deer gets when caught in your headlights.
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Re: All prejudice isn't created equally.

Postby Egaladeist » Sat Feb 28, 2009 2:47 pm

Not everyone is racist...but everyone is prejudiced...

it is natural to be attracted to those things that seem ' familiar ' and be ' apprehensive or standoffish ' in regard to that which is unfamiliar...

it is part-and-parcel part of our ' survival instincts '

to feel at ease or comfortable around the known and be stressed or uncomfortable around the unknown or unfamiliar.
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Re: All prejudice isn't created equally.

Postby snakedog » Sat Feb 28, 2009 6:58 pm

Back in the day, I had a college prof who would say everyone was racist. I think there's
something to that. And that it's subconsciously genetic. There's an anthropologist (can't
remember the name) well known for his studies of an Amazon tribe that does ritual fights.
He studied these Indians for years and couldn't make hide-nor-hair of why who sided with
who in this tribe. In the 90's, he strated doing genetic testing and his findings were startling
(to me anyway). What he found was tribesmen/tribespeople were siding with those to whom
they most closely matched genetically. And all this going on with no cognition of another's
genes. There's so much more we don't know about ourselves than we do.

It's best to keep a sense of humor about it all. I used to shoot a lot of hoops in the inner city
(B.C. -- before crack) and usually played on teams where I was the only white guy and sometimes
the only one who wasn't an ex-con (I ran w/ a rough crowd in the day). Four of us flipped teams
and ended up playing for a guy named Freeman, and again, I was the only white guy. One night
was had a team meeting in Freeman's carryout in one of the worst neighborhoods in the city at
11 p.m. When I walked in, Lefty was working the counter and in an attempt to intimidate me,
said "this neighborhood ain't safe for white people after dark." I was strolling to the backroom
where we were meeting and didn't skip a beat when I looked over at him and quizically asked
"Lefty, how do you know I'm white?" Everybody in the store started laughing.

So we get in this meeting and Freeman's going on and keeps saying "honky m-f'ing referees this
and honky m-f'ing referees that". Each time he'd say that, he'd turn to me and say "Sorry, man."
Finally, the third time he apologized, I said "Freeman, don't give me that 'sorry' chit, 'cause you
ain't sorry at all." Whew, you could here a pin drop in the room at that point (I was the only white
guy). Then I said, "Now go ahead and say whatever you want to about white people. THAT doesn't
bother. Just don't give me that 'sorry' chit." Everybody roared laughing.
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Re: All prejudice isn't created equally.

Postby |3lack|ce » Sun Mar 01, 2009 6:02 am

Welcome to the world of the real.

Theory: Everyone, bar none, is prejudiced against someone or somethings. Fear of those who are different from us is deeply ingrained into our highly aggressive instincts.

Proof of theory: Investigate the history of man, his wars, and his diplomatically-resolved conflicts.

Theory: Currently in the US, the majority of prejudice is Government-perpetuated, and lies against the Arab nations.

Proof of theory: Racial profiling in airports, by police departments, and in society (commercial transactions). Ask yourself which you'd prefer to shop at: An arab-run store, or one where there's a pretty girl of your own race behind the cashier's stand? As for Government Perpetuation - we've been spoon-fed a war since the 9/11 terrorist attacks, and our own Congress has produced (and President approved!) legislation which permits our governmental enforcement agencies to target specific groups by race and religion as suspected terrorists.

[|ce cutting to the chase] All that horsecrap to say that since the dawn of our species, we as humans have hated someone or something - all the way back to Unga Bunga the caveman fighting the neighboring tribe over food and hunting grounds.

Prejudice is part of our makeup. We won't get rid of it, ever, nor do I think we should. The race that 'ain't gonna study war no more' quickly becomes the race that is enslaved or extincted by the race that does study it.

You say violence never solved anything? Great. Let's ask the Carthagenians whether or not violence solved their fate. Wait a sec, you say, they're not alive anymore. You're quite right. I submit to you that violence solved their fate quite thoroughly, along with countless others through history. We are MAN. We are the most dangerous, aggressive and adaptable animal alive. This is our edge as a species. Let us not strive to lose it, but instead to embrace it and make it work for us. [/|ce cutting to the chase]
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Re: All prejudice isn't created equally.

Postby Panama Red » Sun Mar 01, 2009 5:12 pm

Have to disagree to an extent |ce, no child is born prejudiced, it is a learned trait, watch children of all backgrounds interact in a primary or kindergarden setting and you will see they are oblivious to colour, it's when they start to become "educated" that they learn to differentiate between the species.

It is also learned in the homes, sometimes brutally, other times subtly, children pick up on these things over time, either from friends, family or the media.

A lot of it just plain envy which is sometimes mistaken for bigotry, some professions pave the way for tokenism and a more qualified candidate is envious at this and pissed off, are they racist because of that or just plain envious...?

The only way to really overcome prejudice is to really live among them, this problem of segregation is what continues to hold people back, why do we have Burrios or Harlems, why do the Black people tend to gravitate to each other, is it a "tribal" instinct? And we are all tribal..whatever colour...the whites moved to the suburbs (Detroit is a good example) because the core city areas were becoming ghettoized (can't explain 70's Glasgow, more a class thing there)...could be true of all major cities....Toronto is no exception.

I grew up in an area here in Atlantic Canada that had a large Black population, and I remember getting along quite well with them, sure there were the usual white trash idiots who played Broom a C**N on Saturday nights, back in late 60's early 70's, but they eventually grew up, mind you some may still be racist, but I have never really met a "hard core" racist yet...what is a hard core racist? is it someone in a white sheet and hood or the CEO of a mega company that does not hire minorities...

And to be honest, the minorities do not exactly endear themselves to the silent majority, each time they throw history in our faces, banging the slavery drum is fast becoming old news, especially in these times, people are fed up having to say sorry for what our ancestors may or may not have been involved in.It's time to move on and make an attempt to live together, I will agree |ce that it is here to stay for all time and it works both ways, it's not just white folks (some) who are racist...
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Re: All prejudice isn't created equally.

Postby |3lack|ce » Mon Mar 02, 2009 1:44 am

I dearly love it when someone 'bangs the slavery' drum in my presence. I very promptly apologize that some of my ancestors might have eaten their ancestors, then explain my Caddo Indian heritage and tell them to go play victim somewhere else or get in line behind all the other races waiting to do the same.

[mini rant] WTF is it about people who think that, because they're in a "minority," they're entitled to special privileges endowed by society in general? I'm kinda waiting on the day when the caucasian male is in the minority, just to see if they'll get the same treatment our Government and any liberal out there so freely doles out to the "minority races."

It is an established fact that at this time, in Texas, the majority population of citizenry (as of last census) is Mexican-American, not white or black. Great. Where's my affirmative action and my check? [/mini rant]
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Re: All prejudice isn't created equally.

Postby Aspman » Mon Mar 02, 2009 10:44 am

We've got 5,000,000 years of breeding group mentality, 50,000 years of tribal behaviours, 10,000 years of nationstate patriotism and 40 years of civil rights.

What idiot thinks these things will get sorted out by some focus groups?
We're still programmed to form groups and be combative with other groups. Whether those groups are towns, countries, football teams, religions or races.

It's not going to sort itself out any time soon.
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Re: All prejudice isn't created equally.

Postby Vorlin » Mon Mar 02, 2009 1:49 pm

I definitely have to agree on points already established...having grown up in Saudi Arabia where ANY american is treated like sh!t, I've been able to see the views of others who pull the racial card prevalently. Do I think it's fair that stuff happened WELL before I was even thought of? No. Do I think it's right for them to keep pulling crap in my face like it's my fault? No. Will I state to them my thoughts on that? You better believe it. I've helped all kinds of people regardless of color, tone, where they live, etc...and I will remain doing so regardless of what they think. Some of the coolest people I know are blacks and some of the worst people I know are whites...it goes both ways. Racism is on all sides and nothing's going to change that. Well...maybe something like an alien coming to earth to destroy us all and we're forced to bound together and work together for ultimate survival. Personally, I look forward to that day. Please, give me a chance to just go completely ape-sh!t on some alien. As Will Smith said in Independence Day - "Welcome to Earth".
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Re: All prejudice isn't created equally.

Postby dinowuff » Mon Mar 02, 2009 6:47 pm

I hate Stupid people. Stupidity comes in all shapes, colors, religion, size and sexual preference.

I will not help stupid people. "Driving 80MPH in a snow storm and run into the ditch" Nope, not stopping to help, not calling 911.

People who get their identity stolen cause they responded to the Nigerian finance minister. Nope, in fact I may just open a paypal account in their name.

People are different. Some dumber than others. But stupid people cross all boundries and share the same "Whatever" it is that makes people stupid
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Re: All prejudice isn't created equally.

Postby Panama Red » Mon Mar 02, 2009 9:16 pm

dinowuff wrote:I hate Stupid people. Stupidity comes in all shapes, colors, religion, size and sexual preference.

I will not help stupid people. "Driving 80MPH in a snow storm and run into the ditch" Nope, not stopping to help, not calling 911.

People who get their identity stolen cause they responded to the Nigerian finance minister. Nope, in fact I may just open a paypal account in their name.

People are different. Some dumber than others. But stupid people cross all boundries and share the same "Whatever" it is that makes people stupid



lol...profound but true.... :cool3:
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