An Open Letter to the US Congress

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An Open Letter to the US Congress

Post: # 123020Post |3lack|ce
Wed Nov 19, 2008 2:44 am

For those of you who've been living under rocks, google the following words: US Auto 25 billion and read the plethora of stories that broke today. For the lazier of you who live under rocks, here's a handy link to one such story:
http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/show ... gress.html

And now for my letter.

Dear Congress of the United States:

Once I believed we lived in the land of the free, the home of the brave, the bastion of capitalism and free enterprise which flew into the face of convention and elevated our respective standards of living beyond that of any other nation. I am now in doubt.

Today, yet again, I see our government being held hostage by big business, this time in the form of the US Automakers threatening "millions of jobs" nationwide if they don't get 25 billion dollars in relief from the 700 billion dollars you caved into giving the US banking system earlier this year.

Having owned several businesses in my lifetime, some successful and some failed, I've learned one major thing: If an industry is needed by the public, and is correctly offering and pricing their goods to the public, they will not suffer financially until they begin failing to satisfy that need. I've also learned something else: If an ongoing industry begins failing to satisfy the demands of the consumer, it is doomed to fail, and if the demand is great enough, will be replaced by an industry that does meet demand. If the Big Three have issues with their lending policies, odds are they're not what the public is looking for, and they should change them or get (quickly) out of the business of banking. It's not like they don't have a "fall-back" position, that of making vehicles that work at least a reasonable amount of the time.

Why are we so worried about the failure of the big three? Granted, several million people will be thrown out of work in the upheaval, but this will be short-lived, lasting only as long as it takes for new industry to replace the old.

I challenge each and every one of you to return to the capitalistic beliefs upon which our economy is founded. I challenge you to quit giving my hard-earned tax dollars to industry because they can't successfully conduct business on their own. Either that or I challenge you to give me 25 billion dollars so my one job will be protected (at least until I need another 25 billion dollar infusion).

Amazingly enough, dear Congress, I saw this story break on the news this evening, and thought to myself "Copycat Crime." One is curious to see how many of you agree. Remember, I vote. Millions who agree with me vote too. We're your boss and we're bloody well watching. Quit funding Industry simply because they make a threat and stick their hands out.

Sincerely,

|3lack|ce, the American voting taxpayer.


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Re: An Open Letter to the US Congress

Post: # 123028Post keezel
Wed Nov 19, 2008 4:44 am

Well said. I personally believe we'll wind up like Russia before too long. Create enough money out of thin air and eventually everything's worthless.
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Wed Nov 19, 2008 4:56 am

I want to apply for a 25 billion dollar infusion of capitol to create a TAZ Station on the Moon...whatcha think? :D

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Re: An Open Letter to the US Congress

Post: # 123043Post Aspman
Wed Nov 19, 2008 11:27 am

US cars don't sell well in Europe or Asia only in the US.

If you compare a US (not a european GM company) built car to a european car they are f*cking terrible.

Dodge, Chrysler, Chevrolet all universally derided yet all are sold with upmarket price tags.
Dodge is doing so badly in teh UK they recently had a buy one get one free offer to shift them.

The crunch is really making people think about purchases, especially big purchases, and many of these companies just don't make products that cut it.

Every company is suffering but only the strong will survive. Toyota, VW/Porsche, Renault, some of the Koreans. Ford and GM have blown it and are down the sh|tter unless they become state owned.
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Post: # 123048Post Kwiep
Wed Nov 19, 2008 1:31 pm

The communists! They're back!

:lol:

Nothing wrong with a few state owned companies, cheaper humvee's for afghanistan! Maybe have Ford build tanks or something.
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Wed Nov 19, 2008 2:00 pm

Maybe have Ford build tanks or something.
I can see it now... :D

War with some Country...any Country...the mighty US military barreling down on the enemy the new Chrysler F-25's stall in mid-air, the new Ford Humvees tires explode, and the new GM Cougar Tanks all develop gas leaks


News Report

Today the US Military might was barreling down upon enemy forces with over-whelming odds the enemy was in shock of the sheer force coming upon them...then, all of a sudden, just as they were to descend upon them everything broke down...the enemy died laughing.

:D

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Post: # 123072Post Vorlin
Wed Nov 19, 2008 5:55 pm

Well, I can't speak for everyone else, but as this seemingly turned into a bash-the-US-car-companies, I'll step up and defend those that I have. I've had 5 Ford Rangers over the past 12 years and none ever gave me an ounce of problem and now I'm driving a Dodge Dakota SLT and it's not bad either considering it's a 2001. It definitely is true that the car companies have been lax over the years but nobody can name me a business that started out and kept to every single ambition they desired to keep and not slide into any level of corruption or bad management. Ford has always been my truck of choice and I'll keep going that route. Nothing huge or major like the F250 or higher (geez, anyone see the size of the F350 and higher?!) but kept to the Ranger series...suicide doors, 5-speed manual (automatics are for the weak who can't do two things at once), bright yellow! I loved that yellow one I had, bleh, should've never gotten rid of it on the new lease.

As for our vehicles being horrible in the EU and such, I can't say too much about that except that your roads are too small for those of our vehicles that are too wide/big for them. Sure, we'd love to follow suit with being able to have subways (tube), buses, or outright walk to work but guess what? My dad works at SRS/Westinghouse and he drives 30 miles one way to get to work. When I was in Tampa, work was in St. Petersburg (30ish miles) and Orlando (60 miles)...and with our interstates like they are, you better have a vehicle that can A: go fast and B: get decent gas mileage. Sure, your cars are definitely beating us in the mileage department but when it comes to performance and such, ours have quite the benefit as well.

Oh yeah, and that new "It" car that's around in the US now...I don't know the exact name nor who makes it, but it's super small (even a VW Bug is bigger!), probably gets great gas mileage, only a 2-seater with hardly a boot to speak of (trunk)...it looks like it belongs in the EU, honestly. And GOD FORBID it ever, ever, EVER, gets into a wreck. I'll just go ahead and send flowers to the morgue because it will NOT last, especially if it's broadsided.

Anyways, enough of my blabbing, all I have to say to Congress is this...kick every one of them out to the street with no job, no golden parachute, no 6 digit salary with "benefits" at all, and prevent them from ever running for office again. Start over, state-wide first, and see what we can accomplish with new ideas and new people. These fat old men and women in congress are not doing a damned thing for us and haven't ever since they've been elected.
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Re: An Open Letter to the US Congress

Post: # 123074Post Kwiep
Wed Nov 19, 2008 6:25 pm

Vorlin wrote:As for our vehicles being horrible in the EU and such, I can't say too much about that except that your roads are too small for those of our vehicles that are too wide/big for them. Sure, we'd love to follow suit with being able to have subways (tube), buses, or outright walk to work but guess what? My dad works at SRS/Westinghouse and he drives 30 miles one way to get to work. When I was in Tampa, work was in St. Petersburg (30ish miles) and Orlando (60 miles)...and with our interstates like they are, you better have a vehicle that can A: go fast and B: get decent gas mileage. Sure, your cars are definitely beating us in the mileage department but when it comes to performance and such, ours have quite the benefit as well.
No need to bash european cars there, I know plenty of people who have a ford. On avarage they require a bit more maintenance, but they're fine cars and there are definatly worse cars. In fact the lease cars of most my friends are fords. And (at least in the netherlands, can't speak for all of europe) bigass cars like for example a dodge ram are occasionally seen on out highways, and they fit just fine. They're regarded as (and this is definatly dutch) pretentious, especially without something heavy in the back or behind it, wich would make it at all functional. Also top speed doesn't concern most people (even though alot of em travel 60 miles to work just as well), because most of the distance they're in a trafficjam anyway. And the people who care little about their gasbill don't mind driving something comfortable like a mercedes or a volvo in wich you only notice you drive 110 mph by the flashes of trafficcameras.

And most people who drive chrystlers (usually a chrystler PT cruiser) arround here, are the people who want to look rich, but aren't. Well allright, maybe they are a little.
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Post: # 123076Post Vorlin
Wed Nov 19, 2008 7:17 pm

Oh, believe me, I'm not bashing on anyone's car (even though I probably should've reworded it as bad as I am at wording sometimes) and I fully agree that we definitely need to tone down on the cars, especially here. I live about 2 miles from the gypsy camp and all they have are the huge Dodge and Ford and Chevy trucks along with the Lincoln Navigators and Cadillacs...wonder how the gas situation affected them...hmmm.

Hehe, one note about speed here...60 doesn't seem to work. That means 70 min to around 80...

And if I had a choice, I'd ride the subway anyday :D ...
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Wed Nov 19, 2008 8:44 pm

MARTA... cause its MARTA... :hysterical:
OUT! OUT! You demons of stupidity!!!!

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Post: # 123110Post |3lack|ce
Thu Nov 20, 2008 12:27 am

Amazingly enough (even after the thread got derailed) Congress seems to have listened.

As I watched this evening's news, I was happily surprised to see that the Big Three had been denied their 25 billion dollar want.

Interesting comments:
Banking Committee Chairman Christopher Dodd, D-Conn., told the leaders of GM, Chrysler and Ford that the industry was "seeking treatment for wounds that were largely self-inflicted."
and my favorite, delivered by yet another committee member whose name I cannot recall:
I find it refreshing that you arrive here in your private jets, and get off of them with tin cups in hand.
Folks, this ain't about the cars - I've owned US made vehicles for years and I have a high opinion of them. It's about the way the Big Three does business. They're great at making vehicles...they just SUCK at making profits. They don't need a bailout, they need an education and a solid plan.
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Post: # 123140Post Aspman
Thu Nov 20, 2008 11:51 am

The US is built on cheap oil. Big cars, biog roads, big cities, long commutes, little public transport and little public appitite for public transport.

This will be a problem when oil goes back up above $120. And it will sooner than later.

We've been getting nailed by tax on fuel for years in Europe so we demanded fuel efficiency earlier. The density of populations here requires smaller cars too.

Take a truck then. A ford F150 they were pretty common when I was in Florida.

The smallest engine is a 4.6l V8 making 248hp and 294 torques.
My car 2l straight 4 making 197hp and 207 torques. Less than half the size (43%) but making 80% of the power and 70% of the torque.
A V8 Euro car like the new Jag XF has a 4.2 V8 making 416hp and 413 torques. 91% of capacity, 168% of power and 138% of torque.

The US motor industry has been fobbing off US customers with inferior products, old inefficient engines and saving the hight tech for the EU where it was forced on them.

Now that fuel is 'reletively' expensive in the US customers want some efficiency in their motors and they can see it can be done by the European and Jap cars that are sold to them. The big three in the US have been caught with their big fat pants down, loaded with product that is unwanted. And they want some money to help them out.

A big problem for the big three is that although they have access to more efficient cars and engine in the form of their European models they can't just import and sell. They are doing a bit of this (Saturns are rebadged Euro Opel/Vauxhall) but the Eurocars seem small to the US. Worse is that the high tech engines used in EU/Jap rely on high quality fuels. In the UK we use unleaded at 95RON+ (normally 95,97,99RONs), Jap cars run even higher at 100-102RON (race fuel basically). US fuels are not suitable at 87,89,91RON and US diesel is pretty much a no go for the EU crop of modern dervs. Plus derv is banned in California just about.

It's no small task to reset the US fuel supply system to take higher quality fuels and to get the customers to pay for this.
$25 Billion would be better spent to upgrade the refiningn and fuelling systems in the US, the Gov takes the firms into temp administration. Gear up to use of the technology that Ford/GM have in the EU. You could have your F150 with a 3.0 V6 diesel making the same power and double the torque for half the fuel.
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Thu Nov 20, 2008 2:19 pm

Guys, Guys...

The problem with the big three is the U.A.W!

Yes I said it. Look at the last union negoiations. The unions went on strike because they didn't get a raise, retirement benefits were cut and health care costs rose.

Well mr. union employee that makes $85,000 to clean the crappers in the plant... Learn how to invest for your own self. Oh yea, I forgot. Your dumbass dropped out of high school.

Fucking autoworkers work about 15 hours in any given 40 work week and get paid for the 40 hours. Thank you mob ran Union members. You not only (finally) fucked yourself but us too.
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Thu Nov 20, 2008 2:27 pm

Bravo Dino :worthy:
OUT! OUT! You demons of stupidity!!!!

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Dino pinned it.

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