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Facebook making it easier to exploit Teens

PostPosted: Fri Oct 18, 2013 3:36 am
by rapier57
New policy on teen use of Facebook:

http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/16/tech/soci ... s-privacy/

Now they are more exposed to advertisers and stalkers than ever.

And, my daughter came in tonight saying she knew kids of 8 or 9 who were on Facebook. I sent her a copy of the current ToS, just so she knew what the age limit is.

Jeez. No one is paying attention anymore, I guess.

Re: Facebook making it easier to exploit Teens

PostPosted: Fri Oct 18, 2013 7:48 am
by SirDice
What's the minimum age? I thought it was something like 13? Facebook surely isn't too concerned about it as I have seen a lot of profiles with kids aged a lot younger. The probably see them as potential revenue so the accounts are never removed.

However, post one picture of a boob and your account is locked for 12 hours and the picture deleted. I can appreciate FB trying to keep kids away from porn but why can't I simply put an age restriction on my profile or pictures?

Re: Facebook making it easier to exploit Teens

PostPosted: Fri Oct 18, 2013 7:46 pm
by rapier57
The age limit is 13. If someone is younger, someone must report them to have the account removed. I think there is a US law about child exploitation and Facebook had to set the age limit to 13 to abide by it. They don't police, though.

Mercenary SOBs.

For my part, anyone who allows a child to have a Facebook or any social media account is guilty of irresponsible parenting, reckless endangerment of a child, and accessory to child exploitation/child porn. If we could just get the governments to see that.

Re: Facebook making it easier to exploit Teens

PostPosted: Sat Oct 19, 2013 7:56 pm
by dinowuff
rapier57 wrote:For my part, anyone who allows a child to have a Facebook or any social media account is guilty of irresponsible parenting, reckless endangerment of a child, and accessory to child exploitation/child porn. If we could just get the governments to see that.


I'm not sure I agree with you on that one buddy. Both my children, 12 and 9 have their own laptops in their rooms. Both have Gmail accounts and do post on G+ now and again. The family shares a Google Calendar and Google Doc's. In fact, their school district issues gmail addresses to students that don't have their own.

Myself, Wife, Kids and Teachers all use the same online utilities to keep current on projects, homework, amount of cash available in the lunch fund...

But here is the most important thing:

I and my wife talk with our kids.
If computers are being used, the room door must be open
If something odd, strange, scary, happens - I trust my kids to let me know
Communication is number one, because at some point my kids will be on their own and have full access to the Internet anyway

Oh and one last thing - I LOG EVERYTHING!

Re: Facebook making it easier to exploit Teens

PostPosted: Sun Oct 20, 2013 3:03 am
by rapier57
You're the exception, Dino.

Most of what I see is just plain scarey.

A friend of mine is a martial arts instructor. He holds a number of black belts (earned in the traditional way, by long years of study and practice). He wouldn't teach anyone under 12 years of age.

I asked him why, once. Silly me.

"Would you give a 10 year old a loaded revolver and send him/her out to play with friends?"

It boils down to what kind of tools we give children, and how we supervise them. Dino, you are doing it right. Most don't have the maturity and understanding to make those kind of rational decisions.

Re: Facebook making it easier to exploit Teens

PostPosted: Sun Oct 20, 2013 1:40 pm
by DaFoxx
rapier57 wrote:A friend of mine is a martial arts instructor. He holds a number of black belts (earned in the traditional way, by long years of study and practice). He wouldn't teach anyone under 12 years of age.

my brothers little lad was 11 when he got his black belt in karate, to get to that level is more a mental process than anything, and boxing clubs are more easy to find, catholic church used to run a lot back in 50's 60's round here, and that has no mental side, just the physical application to keep kids healthy and more or less sane

I do not like or use FB, my girl is 11 she has no intention of using it, as she and her friend consider it to be lame ............ see how long that lasts :)

but I believe FB to be on the wane now, as they by comparison to Google they seem to have failed to grapple with interaction on a social level, strange for a social site, as Google have maintained high profile projects around the world to keep them in the public eye with a good image too, also they have managed to monetise their operations in a way that FB singularly have failed to do

couple that to FB's lamentable posting on stock market, where they told there 'friends' to avoid as it was a bust ...................... and in my not so HO they are now on the back slope and sliding out of mainstream usage, albeit they a billion + accounts, with 00's of 000.000's online at times, they have been unable to make much in the way of real money from this multitude

Re: Facebook making it easier to exploit Teens

PostPosted: Sun Oct 20, 2013 5:58 pm
by rapier57
As a social site, Google+ has its own issues, but kids are gravitating toward some rather strange social sites that are coming around. Some of the sites are pretty wide open in what they allow and what the kids are exposed to. Beware.

Re: Facebook making it easier to exploit Teens

PostPosted: Sun Oct 20, 2013 11:09 pm
by DaFoxx
yea, euro zone has its own particular venom
allows anonymous replies, and it is just a beast baiting chamber
driven several kids to suicide this year, and that generates trolls on social networks continuing the baiting that killed the poor feck in first place
not a nice place this interwebz
maybe you should need a licence to go on it ?

Re: Facebook making it easier to exploit Teens

PostPosted: Fri Oct 25, 2013 9:12 pm
by dinowuff
'When I was your age I had to walk to school, up hill - both ways - IN THE SNOW'.

Wow I sound like my parents. And I mean that by 'when I was your kids age', we used to hang out in the alley and at the park. Whenever something happened to make the police, or God forbid parents - even worse, pay attention to where we were, we would change where we hung (or to hang out).

I find it strange that parents that bitch about "ON-LINE Safety" seem to have forgotten what it was like to be a kid.

I am also amazed that people don't get that technology changes, time changes and things change along with. My son is in 7th grade and is taking advanced algebra. When my Grand Father was in 7th grade, they didn't know light moved!

As a young lad hanging out on the streets of Detroit - growing up; We all knew who the creeps were. Who to avoid. Kids today know this also. Albeit they probably don't know how to defend themselves in a knife fight.

It's not social media, it's not the "INTERNET". People looking for blame on why their children are bad, hurt, abducted, corrupted... Need only to look in one place. Themselves!

Be a parent and quit teaching your kids that their lot in life is someone else fault. It's not in the TOS! Or the AUP, or any other written document. It's in how we teach our children.

/rant

Re: Facebook making it easier to exploit Teens

PostPosted: Sat Oct 26, 2013 7:26 pm
by Aspman
FFS I know of teachers that demand that they are allowed to put entire classes of under 13s onto Facebook etc.

Strangely those demands fade away to silence when you point out it's a breach of T&Cs, US law (COPPA), UK/EU Data protection law and ask then to accept the risk of their action in writing.

If it's not Facebook the it's some other page-du-jour that they want to put everyone on.

Half the time its the feckin government that are demanding it.

Re: Facebook making it easier to exploit Teens

PostPosted: Sun Oct 27, 2013 5:15 pm
by chaosclown
Ok I can agree... A lot this does fall on the parents. However, in my opinion, kids just do not need to be exposed to certain things until a certain age. Grant it, this says almost nothing about mental capacity at said age, which again would have to fall back on an overall parental decision. I do not have kids so I have no comment on parenting, but I can relate based on my upbringing....I was exposed to a few things early on in life. In fact I credit most of those to the public school system in my area. A certain level of social interaction with my peers, plus parental interaction to steer me in the right direction when I were to go astray, in part, helped to mold me into who I am today. With an overall, more or less, equal balance of both worlds I can say that I knew how to handle myself fairly well at a young age. The problem here is that there are 2 extremes. Either the child is shielded from many things that in a way could affect his/her ability to handle certain life altering events in the later years of development, or conversely, said child is allowed to run rampant, which could also adversely affect his/her capabilities. There really needs to be a balanced mix of both parental interaction and social interaction with peers. Lets be honest, we all have probably picked up some not necessarily bad things from the public school system early on that parents would probably not allow you to learn until you were well into your teenage years. Whether this be a good or a bad thing, well, that would be something completely left up to the individual......