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Election 2008: Obama vs McCain

Postby Egaladeist » Wed Nov 05, 2008 4:07 am

Well...up to this point it's ...

Obama 196...
McCain 124...

I don't think McCain is going to take California...so he absolutely needs Florida...and virtually everything else or it's over.
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Re: Election 2008: Obama vs McCain

Postby outerlimit » Wed Nov 05, 2008 5:26 am

well... obama won
we are now fucked
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Re: Election 2008: Obama vs McCain

Postby Egaladeist » Wed Nov 05, 2008 5:56 am

Well...he didn't get California or Florida...in fact the only State he did get with substantial Electorial Votes was Texas.

Obama didn't just win...he over-whelmingly won. If this was a basketball game the words ' crushed ' and ' demolished ' and ' pulverized ' come to mind.

But I'm not sure he won because he out-bettered McCain...or McCain lost because he tried to buy the election by offering a Walmart Hillary ( Palin ) and it just didn't fly.

Obama's worst decision was pissing off Hillary and then shutting her out...McCain's worst decision was thinking he could offer up Palin and win over the Hillary crowd with Walmart seconds.
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Re: Election 2008: Obama vs McCain

Postby rapier57 » Wed Nov 05, 2008 7:15 am

First, there was probably no way for a Republican to win this election. W just gave the conservatives such a bad rep that there was no way anyone was going to win no matter how hard he or she tried to divorce themselves from the current administration. While McCain tried to take responsibility in the loss, it really can be laid squarely at the feet of W.

Second, Obama connected with a huge cross-section of the US population. As a result, they came out and voted. In huge numbers. In one county in my state, the lines were still there waiting to vote an hour after the polls officially closed. This means more for the local and state races than the national one, but does illustrate the level of interest and involvement generated.

As for our governor, we may not know the results until Friday.

But, it is over. Finally. We can now focus on getting at the problems instead of just talking about it.
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Re: Election 2008: Obama vs McCain

Postby Egaladeist » Wed Nov 05, 2008 7:35 am

From a Canadian perspective I think Obama is the best choice...for Canadians...when it comes to exports like lumber he seems more the negotiable kind of leader...than the let's trade off tax and tariffs wars tiff for taff ones we're used to dealing with...

but by the same token I think in light of Americans in Bosnia, Afghanistan, Iraq, etc...I think he's going to be seen as a weak warlord ...and that's not going to bode very well for Americans.

I wouldn't be surprised if American soldiers are the target of several well-staged hostage situations...if Obama doesn't slam the hammer down early.
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Re: Election 2008: Obama vs McCain

Postby Aspman » Wed Nov 05, 2008 10:44 am

Well the boy can talk. It will remain to be seen if he can walk the walk.
I've hear more a than a few people at work and within the UK media speak of how impressive his victory speech was.

One of the papers over here is predicting a protracted honeymoon period, an Obamamoon.
I think that is right.
The force here was a desire for change, McCain didn't provide that, he was the old guard, same ol' same ol'.
The right could have had a better fight if they had some fresher blood to put against Obama. That'll come out for next time.
Paylin was pretty much destroyed by Tina Fey, she didn't even have to satirise her, just repeat what she said. She outlined incompetence in a clear way for the masses to understand. This made McCain look a fool for choosing her.

The Obamamoon will end. The voters will look for the changes they expected and there is no chance that Obama can deliver on the scale or speed that the people want. The economy is going to get worse before it gets better, globally not just the US. Iraq and Afghanistan will continue to send back dead soldiers.
Popularity will wane seriously then.

It's going to be a few years before the mettle of this man is seen. He's going to have to deliver in 4 years unless the Republicans decend into civil war. If they regroup and reorganise and get their own 'Obama' they could be a resurgent force in 4 years. If economic problems continue Obama will lose a lot of seats in that election if he stays in power.

Over here in 1997 we had had the right wing Conservative party for nearly 18 years. The desire for change after that was huge, the Labour party leader John Smith died suddenly leaving a young positive speaking new leader who took the party to a massive landslide victory (see any pattern here). The Conservatives lost it, and basically have been out the picture for the last 10 years only coming back to being a strong opposition recently. So will the republicans be finished as a force for 10 years now?
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Re: Election 2008: Obama vs McCain

Postby Aspman » Wed Nov 05, 2008 1:13 pm

I think this says a lot of it well.

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/inte ... 811051377/

He told a crowd of 250,000 supporters in his home city of Chicago: "Remember, change is something that happens in the middle of the night when we're all fast asleep and very often the next morning no-one can tell that anything has actually changed.

"I promised you change you can believe in, I did not promise you change you can actually see."

He added: "You believe in Jesus don't you? Right, but have you ever seen Jesus? Exactly. Just making sure we're all on the same page."
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Re: Election 2008: Obama vs McCain

Postby imnogeek » Wed Nov 05, 2008 1:21 pm

quote from ^ link

Denys Hatton, from Guildford, added: "If your life is such that you're placing all your hopes in a politician, then may I humbly suggest you get yourself a crate of superlager and a cardboard box and stop wasting everyone's time."


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How did you come to that conclusion?
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Re: Election 2008: Obama vs McCain

Postby Harry » Wed Nov 05, 2008 2:36 pm

From a UK point of view; I think Dino should be president... or Mav.
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Re: Election 2008: Obama vs McCain

Postby Vorlin » Wed Nov 05, 2008 8:08 pm

He told a crowd of 250,000 supporters in his home city of Chicago: "Remember, change is something that happens in the middle of the night when we're all fast asleep and very often the next morning no-one can tell that anything has actually changed.

"I promised you change you can believe in, I did not promise you change you can actually see."

He added: "You believe in Jesus don't you? Right, but have you ever seen Jesus? Exactly. Just making sure we're all on the same page."


I think a comparison of seeing Jesus and making 'changes that you believe in and cannot see' is completely FUCKED UP and stupid beyond belief. All this bullshit, yes bullshit, he's saying about all this change HAS NOTHING to do with religious beliefs that one might have. There's no "same page" in what he's comparing against. He's just bullshitting his way through and now, knowing he's president (as of Jan 20 or so), he's not going to be changing shit and I'm hoping everyone sees that and he outranks Bush in disapproval ratings.
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Re: Election 2008: Obama vs McCain

Postby Harbinger » Wed Nov 05, 2008 9:54 pm

Well Comrads, all heil our Fearless Leader Obama! Personally, I envision a stagnant presidency where nothing happens. At least, that's what I'm hoping for. If 1/4 of Obamas policies get pushed through, then all investment will leave this country, remaining industry will flee, the dollar will assuridly plummet, we won't be leaving Iraq anytime soon, and the government will be spending my paycheque on those whom didn't earn it.

On an upswing, the world will probably already have begun looking at the USA in a positive light.

On the other hand, Obama is a Communist fucking pinko with an economically retarded congress desperate enough to push through his class warfare which will rot my country.

Trust me when I say that I hated McCain even more, but there is a strong chance I may expatriate after I graduate.
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Re: Election 2008: Obama vs McCain

Postby |3lack|ce » Thu Nov 06, 2008 1:50 am

Sorry to further rain on your parade Harb, but in case you haven't noticed, it's a Democrat House & Senate too. All of his policies will breeze through like crap through a goose.

Be afraid.

Be very afraid.

Hang onto your wallet.
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Re: Election 2008: Obama vs McCain

Postby Aspman » Thu Nov 06, 2008 9:38 am

Hey V, you did notice that the site is satirical. He never said the Jesus thing.
The sentiment is correct though.

It'll take a while for the shine to wear off on this one. Maybe a year or two. He'll get a lot of running out of Blaming Bush for everything. But the shine WILL fade.

He's a politician after all and you can't polish a turd.

We've seen all this before in the UK. Hope and joy at the prospect of change followed by 10 years of unmitigated misery.
I wait with baited breath to see if he does a Blair on you all.
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Re: Election 2008: Obama vs McCain

Postby Vorlin » Thu Nov 06, 2008 4:14 pm

Yeah, Asp, I know the site's satirical, but I also know a few things like how he doesn't hold his hand over his heart when singing the National Anthem (wonder how that's gonna work now that he's the PRESIDENT) nor does he have any good outlook ideas on religion or the economy.
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Re: Election 2008: Obama vs McCain

Postby Panama Red » Thu Nov 06, 2008 5:15 pm

Vorlin wrote:nor does he have any good outlook ideas on religion or the economy.


Well you really do want your politicians to leave their "morals" at home don't you, then leave religion out of politics, most likely one of the reasons the Republicans lost this time around, even Christians get tired of the same old BS time in and time out...or should I say Baptists...
Image also just to play a little Devils advocate here, if you are into your own history about administrations then you will know that under Clinton the US enjoyed it's best times on Wall street, this after Bush Sr and before Bush Jr...coincidence? maybe, maybe not....

Clinton and the Economy I seriously think the Republicans brought the house down under their watch, due to de-regulations, so you can't have it both ways, if you regulate it, everyone complains of too much government interference, we want small government, when you de-regulate it the crooks have a field day and the next administration is left holding the bag, I say give Obama a chance he may surprise the rest of you, one talking head mentioned that at least he is intelligent enough to probably surround himself with "smart" people... :breakfast:
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