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The Elephant in the room.

Postby |3lack|ce » Tue Sep 08, 2009 2:53 pm

This is a nonpartisan attempt at looking at a really screwed up situation:

President Obama wishes to speak to our kids while they're in school today, and in addition to his speech, his administration has provided certain cirricula which must be included. All age groups, all grades will have these lessons provided and his speech will air a scant 1 1/2 hours from now.

Ok, there it is, in a nutshell. Now to the controversy -

Parents are in a huge UPROAR about this. For a President sporting 50% popularity (down significantly since his healthcare campaign started), there is a vast amount of controversy surrounding Pres. Obama. As parents do we really want him to speak to our kids? Do we really NOT want him to? Should it be optional?

To make matters worse, now the individual school districts are getting involved. Some are adamantly against it, and refuse to have the speech aired or present any of his cirricula to their students. (My old alma mater falls into this category). Some are attempting to ride the fence, offering alternative activities for students whose parents do not want them to have these things presented (imho this is the wisest option - no loss of funds due to absenteeism, make the parents happy and piss off the government), and Some are requiring all students to view and participate in the President's agenda (Broward county Florida comes to mind, since the story on them just aired on the national news).

How do you feel about this?

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My take on it is that this is all pure, unadulterated horseshit developed from molehill to mountain by a controversy seeking media and an otherwise pissed off Republican party grasping at straws. What makes me think this? Simple - up until 3 days ago the whole thing was all about Comerade President's speech. Then he published his speech in advance, and it quite suddenly became about the worksheets and such presented to the students. Clearly this controversy is fabricated based upon this one change of horse midstream. The world knows I can't stand Comerade President Obama, but in this instance, I see no fault or wrongdoing - but then again, not having school age kids of my own anymore, I've not bothered wasting my time reading his speech, or contacting any school districts for copies of the cirriculae he's wanting presented. Frankly, it *could* be slanted with socialism, communism, and all those other bad 'isms' that we all fear but few really know anything about - then again so could G. Bush Sr's address to the kiddies have been slanted in the opposite extreme, or R. Reagan's...

I sincerely like and appreciate "Separation of Church and State" in our government. I love it in fact, and sincerely wish it were more in practice than it truly is - but we CANNOT separate Politics and Schools. Without education of our children from BOTH SIDES OF THE POLITICAL FENCE our civilization is doomed to isolationism and eventual failure from said isolationism. The kids HAVE to know what doesn't work as much as they have to know what works. In fact, they need to see those political mistakes MORE, so they don't repeat them.

Mistake or Perfectly Correct, I say let Barak speak, let the lessons be taught, and discussed ad infinitum ad nauseum afterward, and let those parents who truly fear their own elected President keep their kids home, or give their kids something else to do with their time than learning.


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Re: The Elephant in the room.

Postby Panama Red » Tue Sep 08, 2009 3:51 pm

If Fidel wanted to talk to kids in school why stop him, shouldn't children of school age get both sides of any coins... :cool3:


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Unfortunately the flat earth society wishes to propagate it's silliness and the parents are falling for it...who is being harmed here? Is it the parents who quite frankly are too stupid to realize that the school format is quite clearly about understanding/education/exchange of ideas/civil discourse...etc.etc....

If the leader of the Republican party wanted to put his 2 cents worth to the children of the US, who's stopping him?

I sincerely believe that the Republicans have a serious hate on for the Black president, and are trying their damndest to see he only does 1 term, unfortunately they are under the delusional impression they could maybe win the next election.....Hahahahahahahahahahaha :pleasantry:
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Re: The Elephant in the room.

Postby Aspman » Tue Sep 08, 2009 5:22 pm

Children should be educated about politicians not educated by politicians.

Over here teachers almost to 100% are lefty liberal commie bastards, and remember I'm married to one.

There is just as much to fear from their political agenda as the sleaze-bags in Washington or Westminster
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Re: The Elephant in the room.

Postby Vorlin » Wed Sep 09, 2009 8:35 pm

My whole take on this is that while I can appreciate the effort that Obama's trying to do with "educating" the kids of America (and any others that are watching), it's a failure in the making. Seems to me, it's an effort to try and get his popularity back up since he's not very well liked at all and he hasn't even gone 9 whole months in the first year of term 1. It's real easy to sit there and preach to kids about staying in school, not doing drugs (yeah, that's never worked), don't drink & drive, fasten your seatbelt, etc etc etc...but the implementation and carry-out of all these things is horrid. The majority of kids today don't give two shits about politics. If the school is riding the fence like Asp mentioned, chances are the school is giving extra credit to those that go to the speech in a feeble effort to make sure attendance is up. I don't agree with schools forcing it to be a mandatory thing nor do I agree with schools totally being against it and refusing to show it at all. Let the students have the choice; make a vote where the students decide whether they see it or not...after all, isn't "voting" part of the whole political schema? Forcing them to see it won't change their mind nor instill anything nor put a want to know more about subjects x, y, and z. On the flip side, choosing for them does nothing but make them want to shun those that chose (aka the school in this situation), not care even more, and the underlying problem that we have with today's kids just worsens.

I say, overall, fuck the speech...it's not going to do anything positive, it might only bring more negativity. Obama is far from being even a remotely somewhat kind-of maybe perhaps semi-decent "role model" and his views about this shouldn't be even involved but you know they will be. Congress has a lot to say in this too, heard or not, and their views of course are going to be in there somewhere hidden in plain sight.

Moral: everything I ever learned and needed to know, I either got from experience (good and bad) or I learned and was taught by those around me (friends, parents, teachers, family). The president of the US had absolutely nothing to do with it and IMHO, if I had a kid that was in a school where it'd be shown/etc, I'd have them stay home and the TV would be on with it and if they want to see it, they can. I'd reward simply if they watched 15 minutes of it and even more if they did watch the whole thing, with me asking questions, seeing what they thought, etc. Bring them into it, let them speak, let them express ideas, complaints, and other things. That'll accomplish more in 1 hour than any amount of speeches given over 4 years. After all, to use an example, I didn't do the "big nasty" with a girl until after I graduated high school...I wasn't messing around, going by the "pull out" method, or other things like that...why? Because my parents did a damned good job instilling what was important and some little girl like Bristol Palin on the cover of the fucking People magazine giving her speech on abstinence isn't going to do shit compared to what I saw and heard myself.
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Re: The Elephant in the room.

Postby |3lack|ce » Thu Sep 10, 2009 2:10 am

Real life lessons learned from the Elephant:

1. Don't stick your dick out, it'll get stepped on. Obama lost more popularity ratings from this whole media induced fiasco.

2. Given enough bullshit, you CAN create mountains. Just ask the media, they do it every day.

3. The best money is on fence-riding. Yep, Schools get paid based on the number of students attending on a particular day. By making the elephant optional, everyone was semi-appeased, and the schools got paid. By making it mandatory, or by shooting it, the schools alienated a portion (in some cases, a very LARGE portion) of parents and wound up losing attendance yesterday.

4. If a politician comes at you yammering "He's doing soandso", he's just behaving in typical politician behaviour. If your two year old comes at you yammering "He's doing soandso", he's tattling and gets bitchslapped for his (typical 2 year old) behaviour. Why aren't we treating politicians like the 2 year olds they're behaving as? Shame on you fellow Republicans!

addendum to 4. If the Media comes at you yammering, they're just doing what they've done since the media began - selling papers or commercial air time. Don't let them make mountains out of molehills in your mind with their pandering.

5. Never, EVER jump to conclusions, lest conclusions jump on you. (Yep, that's at my fellow Repubs again, as well as the media who broadcast it) - So much yammering was about the speech, then the speech was published.

6. If caught jumping to conclusions, NEVER switch to a different conclusion! (again, repubs. You know the what/why).

And to the Democratic Socialists, I give you kudos for a well-played naughty trick. You fooled a bunch of old guys and invited the media to plaster the world with it. Kinda sucks for you El Presidente Socialista lost points for it.
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Re: The Elephant in the room.

Postby Harbinger » Fri Sep 11, 2009 5:17 am

The objections largely came from "suggested" assignment material. Students were to write themselves a letter entitled, "How can I help the President?" at which point the letter would be held and then take out at a later date so that they could be held accountable and examine if they were complying, "as they should". That unto itself screams that this was not "stay in school and drink you milk" kind of message. Hell, the title alone says that.

The reason why the speech had to be rewritten is because it was, well, illegal. The original speech and suggested lesson plans violated U.S. Code 20. Apparently the White House wasn't aware of that particular law until people rightly protested.

It's all BS anyway. It's all about getting the public desensitized and aquiestent to having the presence of government in their every day lives. Much like how many US Military battalions have been assisting civilian police forces, or holding training exercises in communities and residential areas in violation of Posse Commitatus. Once people are no longer alarmed by government involvement in their daily life, the domination has been complete.

PS: Had I not been like, 3 years old at the time Bush Sr. did this, I would have been informed enough to say that was wrong then too.
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Re: The Elephant in the room.

Postby Vorlin » Sun Oct 04, 2009 10:47 pm

I'd have to say the public is already desensitized and relatively acquiescent to the government being involved in their everyday lives simply by the fact that prior to Obama's election, so many people probably went the route of either "well, my vote won't count, so what's the point" or more like "I just don't care" (because they're ignorant, ambivalent, or both)... So much of that joke is true....what's the difference between ignorance and ambivalence? -> I don't know and I don't care. Too many people have that attitude which is why the voting numbers are so far in the toilet, why things don't change in their county/state, the list goes on.

And it's too easy for Obama to "look good" by stating that kids should stay in school, not do drugs, the list goes on... Everyone prior to him, parents, friends, family, etc...have all said the same thing (or should have) so why is it any different coming from him? To me, it's no different and his stature as president carries zero weight to me in stating such things. I'll take any and all advice from family and friends and significant others because they actually care about what happens to me. To him, I'm one of millions. Just my 2 cents.
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