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Postby Egaladeist » Mon May 02, 2011 12:06 pm

President Barack Obama announced Sunday night that Osama bin Laden is dead. Not just dead — but killed by U.S. operatives.

In a “compound” near an area deep inside Pakistan called Abottabad — not far from the capital of Islamabad — U.S. operatives engaged in a “firefight” with bin Laden’s handlers, Obama said, and killed the terrorist leader. This was no drone strike. It was a “small team” of U.S. operatives, pulling the trigger and delivering what the president called “justice” on a man responsible for the deaths of nearly 3,000 Americans.

According to a senior administration official, the raid itself took less than 40 minutes. Bin Laden “did resist the assault force,” the official says, but was shot “as our operators came into the compound.” A woman was used as a human shield and died in the firefight, along with one of bin Laden’s adult sons and two “couriers.”

The operation was the result of eight months of intelligence work, with Obama giving the order to carry out the operation last week. Obama didn’t exactly specify, but it appears bin Laden’s death is the result of a joint operation by the CIA and the military’s Joint Special Operations Command.


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Re: Osama bin Laden Dead

Postby dinowuff » Mon May 02, 2011 5:41 pm

YEA Right! Dead - really? I didn't see any video on YouTube. I Demand that the United States Government Produce a VALID Death Certificate. Anyone here not buy the Shark Bait theory?

Well if it's true, then how about the statement that it was an American Bullet that did the job? Really, I think not! That bullet was most likely made in China!

But if it is all true, remember... no where in Islamic Dogma does it say that them 72 Virgins will be female. Enjoy that afterlife there buddy.
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Re: Osama bin Laden Dead

Postby Egaladeist » Mon May 02, 2011 11:46 pm

But if it is all true, remember... no where in Islamic Dogma does it say that them 72 Virgins will be female. Enjoy that afterlife there buddy.


Or even human :mrgreen:

72 male virginal White n Wooly Sunday lunch on legs :D
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Re: Osama bin Laden Dead

Postby DaFoxx » Tue May 03, 2011 9:59 am

bet he regrets filling in that census form now :hysterical:

UK humour :P
and I didn't think the Americans took out the bins on a bank holiday :mrgreen:
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Re: Osama bin Laden Dead

Postby Aspman » Tue May 03, 2011 10:52 am

http://newsthump.com/2011/05/02/osama-b ... f-virgins/


Osama Bin Laden left hugely disappointed by quality of virgins
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45 year-old virgin and computer game enthusiast Kevin Simms told us, “I wasn’t really paying attention when they offered the gig, I was too busy taking on Al Qaeda in Call of Duty on my Xbox. Oh the irony.”
“On the bright-side, he seems to be suffering a bit of ‘stage-fright’ downstairs, so this might not be so bad after all.”




Elton John has written a eulogy song for him -
#Sandals in the bin


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Politically I don't think it'll change much. He was quite totemic and recruitment might be down but Al Qaeda isn't going to fade away overnight because OBL is fish food.
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Re: Osama bin Laden Dead

Postby DaFoxx » Tue May 03, 2011 11:40 pm

and I am NEVER going to take cannabis before I go SCUBA diving EVER again
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Re: Osama bin Laden Dead

Postby SirDice » Wed May 04, 2011 7:50 am

Two Dutch guys tried to report Osama's murder to the local police. They were politely asked to go away as it's not really a matter for Dutch police. The police advised them to take the matter up with the International Crime Court.

I have to admit they did have a point thought, it's a plain and simple assassination. A foreign country operating on another country's soil to kill a person. Judge, jury and executioner in one go. I'm not saying the world isn't better off without him but I would like to have seen him get a fair trail. Yes, even a bastard like that deserves one.
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Re: Osama bin Laden Dead

Postby DaFoxx » Wed May 04, 2011 11:54 am

the law as it pertains to nation states is entirely different to the law as we will generally interact with

once an open act of aggression has been committed against a nation state
they have several options
I say an act of aggression, because if OBL had attacked a STRATEGIC item - Aircraft Carrier / ICBM base - that would be construed as an act of war

and again, strategic as opposed to tactical - tank / aircraft -

but the President says get him
and it is all legal and above board in international law

I assume said 'Dutch' citizens were of the OBL fan club variety ?

it would be more open to a test case the act of a police sniper
as there only use is to kill, coldly and as soon as orders are given
but even with the orders, it is still, under the majority of nation states laws
cold blooded murder

I personally find the differences in what we say and mean between our two countries to be fascinating at times like these
Americans say sidewalk
we - UK - say path
Americans say - trunk of car
we say boot
Americans say buried at sea
we say tied to a metal bedstead with a car battery strapped to his nutsack, whilst his ribs are removed using an axe :D
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Re: Osama bin Laden Dead

Postby SirDice » Wed May 04, 2011 12:38 pm

DaFoxx wrote:but the President says get him
and it is all legal and above board in international law

Since when is assassinating a foreign national on another nationality's soil legal?

I assume said 'Dutch' citizens were of the OBL fan club variety ?

The papers didn't say. Doesn't really matter, they still have a valid point.

There's only one big problem with reporting it to the international crime courts though, the US doesn't recognize it. They'll happily drag some other national into it but heaven forbid if one of their own was called in. Hell, almost all of those courts are here in the Netherlands, if we drag a US citizen into ICC the US will happily use military force to get him out. I really, really don't like that attitude....
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Re: Osama bin Laden Dead

Postby Aspman » Wed May 04, 2011 2:05 pm

Got to agree that we should be taking the moral high ground. Just because he would summarily kill kuffar doesn't mean we should do the same to him, even if we want to.
By not dropping to his level we would demonstrate superiority and humiliate him with mercy that he did not offer his victims.

But we shot him unarmed in the head and chest. Doesn't look good.

It was my opinion that he should have been discovered being boned by his strap-on wearing wife while snorting coke from between the ass-cheeks of his 2IC and subsequently shot whilst attacking the SEALS with a large and menacing dildo.

The above if filmed would de-construct the 'hard man' mythos somewhat.
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Re: Osama bin Laden Dead

Postby Panama Red » Tue May 10, 2011 2:00 am

Couple of things...

First-taking him out saved the tax payers (re:Westerners) oodles of money tied up in courts
Secondly-Him being dead means he is not a beacon or recruiting tool for the muddled masses of zealots.

Besides what if OJ's lawyers were to defend him and if the bombs didn't fit they must aquit type scenario...nope not gunna do it..wouldn't be prudent...besides Dubya would send in Cheney to finish the job...:D

As to assassinating an individual on foreign soil, well if the foreign soil as in Pakistan's case had of done their job, this argument would be mute and 5yrs old.If a despot marked for death seeks sanctuary in a foreign country sympathetic to their needs, then that country has no business harbouring wanted criminals, NATO took years to get the Bosnian mass murderers to court because they were protected...Pakistan should have done the right thing and handed him over, now of course that would have been political suicide (pun intended) so I sort of feel for the Pakistani's as they were between the proverbial rock and a hard place...so it doesn't surprise me to see that the US took it upon themselves to do the job without the Pakistani Intelligence services knowing about it....the window of opportunity was probably closing and they took the shot..;)

I for one am happy to see that his ugly mug will not be appearing in a video anytime soon...now maybe the rank and file fanatics will start looking for work instead of sitting around.
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Re: Osama bin Laden Dead

Postby SirDice » Tue May 10, 2011 4:09 pm

Panama Red wrote:First-taking him out saved the tax payers (re:Westerners) oodles of money tied up in courts

As opposed to the oodles of money we spent while he was still alive? You know, those nudie scanners that won't stop anyone, TSA officials that man-handle your junk when you want to fly. Not to mention the privacy everybody happily squanders as long as it's helping the "war on terrorism". The US of fucking A knows what I have in my bank account, and I'm a Dutch citizen living in the Netherlands, thanks a lot Brussels. The EU (and my own government) has their hand so far up the USA's ass we can tingle it's tonsils.

Secondly-Him being dead means he is not a beacon or recruiting tool for the muddled masses of zealots.

He's now an even bigger posterboy for them.

Osama was the one man I'd love to see living in Guantanamo, waiting for a trail that never comes. Hell, I'd even turn a blind eye to daily waterboarding.
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Re: Osama bin Laden Dead

Postby Aspman » Wed May 11, 2011 11:24 am

OBL last Facebook update

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Re: Osama bin Laden Dead

Postby Panama Red » Wed May 11, 2011 9:39 pm

SirDice wrote:As opposed to the oodles of money we spent while he was still alive? You know, those nudie scanners that won't stop anyone, TSA officials that man-handle your junk when you want to fly. Not to mention the privacy everybody happily squanders as long as it's helping the "war on terrorism". The US of fucking A knows what I have in my bank account, and I'm a Dutch citizen living in the Netherlands, thanks a lot Brussels. The EU (and my own government) has their hand so far up the USA's ass we can tingle it's tonsils.


But if you had of watched some of the O J Simpson's trial, you know that a trial with Osama as the headliner would have attracted all sorts of "creepy" lawyers willing to make names for themselves and they would drag this shit out for all it's worth, how is that closure for the victims of 9/11? Bet you they are just as happy to see him dead and not have to endure daily news flashes of his day in court, sometimes the means do justify the ends...

Also it's the voters who made that happen not Osama he was just an excuse, your government and the US chose it's own leaders,as well as us in Canada (unfortunately) and they in turn enacted these stupid "anti terrorist" laws, you can thank your politicians for the thousands of CCTV cameras in and around your cities, and you let them, you stood to the side and allowed it to happen...so don't blame the terrorists, they wanted this to happen and they got what they wanted.

Myself and in my own opinion, if George had of done this instead of invading Iraq, he would have been seen as a great President, one operation to take out Osama at the height of this problem, he had OBL in his sights and lost focus...and that is why we are stuck in Iraq and Afghanistan...for all the talk of the Republicans and their love of torture, offing a single madman in a foreign country should have been a breeze...woulda, shoulda, coulda...think about it...6yrs ago they could have resolved this issue and saved billions... :wink:

And even alive he was losing the popularity contest amongst suicide bombers, so dead he is losing even more popularity, he is as they say...yesterday's news.... :breakfast:
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Re: Osama bin Laden Dead

Postby SirDice » Fri May 13, 2011 10:43 am

It's not an American court I would have like to see him in, it would have been the international crimes court. Since he committed acts of terrorism not just against the US. I doubt the ICC would allow a show-trail similar to OJ's.

And it wasn't my vote that got us all the surveillance crap. It was the rest of the country that happily accepted it. As long as it was against "terrorism" or "kiddie porn" :roll:

Anyway, it seems our favorite dead guy was a big sneakernet user :|

Bin Laden would type the messages on a computer that had no connection to the outside world and then instruct a trusted courier to drive to a cafe so they could be emailed. The courier would then save messages addressed to bin Laden to the same drive and bring it back so his boss could read them offline.


http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/05/12 ... ail_cache/

Obviously any tapping or data collection would never have found him. Which is why I don't understand the US wanting to implement dataretention. We already have it in Europe and still can't manage to justify invading the privacy of 500 million citizens.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/227580/s ... cking.html

Evaluation report on the Data Retention Directive (Directive 2006/24/EC):
http://www.alexander-alvaro.de/archives/1904/test-2
In the few years this has been running, guess how many people where arrested or convicted with the help of this data? Zero, none, nobody.
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